Revisited - UNDERSTANDING DEADLY FORCE — PART TWO with Jerri Williams

🎧 UNDERSTANDING DEADLY FORCE — PART TWO

Stop the Killing Podcast | S4E59

If you listened to last week’s bonus episode examining the Minnesota ICE agent shooting — where Katherine Schweit broke down the deadly force standard and whether it was lawful — and found yourself wanting to go deeper into how deadly force policies actually work, this episode is for you.

This is Part Two of our Understanding Deadly Force series, released to add further context and depth to the questions raised by that case — not by revisiting the incident itself, but by examining the policies, training, and human consequences behind deadly force decisions.

Hosts Sarah Ferris and Katherine Schweit are joined again by Jerri Williams, a retired FBI agent with 26 years of service, to explore what happens after a deadly force encounter — and why that aftermath matters just as much as the moment a trigger is pulled.

This episode picks up where Part One left off and focuses on:

• Why officers involved in shootings must receive psychological and psychiatric support

• How unresolved trauma can endanger officers, partners, and civilians

• Why deadly force scenarios are mentally rehearsed — awake and asleep

• The reality of firing until a threat is stopped, not “counting shots”

• How training protocols evolved after catastrophic shootings

• Why civilians are judged differently than law enforcement under deadly force laws

• The legal and emotional risks civilians face when carrying and using a firearm

• The persistent myth of the “good guy with a gun”

Listeners hear firsthand accounts from FBI agents who survived gunfights and lived with the consequences — not as spectacle, but as institutional knowledge meant to prevent future loss of life.

Public debate around deadly force often focuses on outcomes, not consequences.

This episode asks listeners to consider the weight of responsibility carried by those who use force — and the long shadow those decisions cast over careers, families, and lives.

It is not about defending or condemning any single case.It is about understanding what deadly force truly costs.

1. Bonus Episode — Minnesota ICE Shooting: Deadly Force Standard Explained

2. S4E58 — Understanding Deadly Force (Part One)

3. S4E59 — Understanding Deadly Force (Part Two)

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