Watching Two Detectives
Coming soon from Sarah Ferris Media, the award-winning producer behind hits like *Conning the Con*, *Klooghless: The Long Con*, *Stop the Killing*, *The Bravery Academy*, and *Guilty Greenie*, a new true crime podcast that dives deeper into the heart of unsolved mysteries than ever before. **Watching Two Detectives**, hosted by retired NSW Police Detectives Scott Rogan and Peter Hogan, revisits the cases that have haunted them, bringing new insights and revelations to light.
Most Recent Episode
Following the five-part crossover between Watching Two Detectives and Stop the Killing, we are sharing another standout conversation from the Stop the Killing archive.
On April 20, 1999, two students arrived at Columbine High School intending to bomb the school. When their bombs failed, they opened fire.
At the time, 12 students and one teacher were killed. In February 2025, Columbine survivor Anne Marie Hochhalter died from complications linked to the gunshot wounds she sustained during the attack. Her death was later ruled a homicide, bringing the recognised death toll to 13 students and one teacher — 14 victims in total.
In this episode, Sarah Ferris and Katherine Schweit speak with Frank DeAngelis, the former principal of Columbine High School.
Frank takes us back inside the school on the day of the attack and shares what it was like to lead a community through unimaginable violence, grief and trauma.
But this conversation is about far more than the events of April 20.
Frank explains how the impact of a school shooting continues long after the emergency vehicles, investigators and television cameras leave. The psychological wounds spread through students, teachers, families, first responders and the wider community — and for many, those wounds last a lifetime.
He also reflects on the responsibility he felt toward the Columbine community, the promises he made to the families and why his role did not simply end when he retired as principal.
This is a conversation about leadership, survivor guilt, recovery, school safety and the human consequences that cannot be measured by casualty numbers alone.
It is also a reminder that behind every statistic is a person, a family and a life forever altered.
Let’s Be FrankFrank discusses school security, hardening targets and why safety measures can go too far when they begin to change schools from welcoming places into fortresses:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/stop-the-killing/id1585146489?i=1000669832290
This bonus episode includes excerpts from a longer conversation with Frank that were not included in the original episode.
Please follow Stop the Killing wherever you listen to podcasts for more conversations with Frank DeAngelis and more than 200 episodes examining mass shootings, school safety, active-shooter response, prevention, survival and the people left carrying the consequences.
And stay following Watching Two Detectives for Season Six:
Biddy: I’m So Shiny, I Can Twinkle Like a Star.
The story of ten-year-old Bridget “Biddy” Porter, the warning signs before her murder and the family fighting to give their daughter back the name, story and voice that were taken from her.
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Season One: If Tomorrow Never Comes
In our gripping first season, "If Tomorrow Never Comes," we unravel the chilling and complex murder of Michael Furlong. Unlike any crime story you've heard, this case twists on its axis with developments so shocking, they'd be dismissed as too unbelievable for a Hollywood script.
Scott Rogan and Peter Hogan are not just recounting the case; they're reopening the files with a personal connection that adds layers of depth and humanity to the narrative. Joined by the detective who led the investigation, Clive Ainly, this season offers unprecedented access to the people closest to the case. Michael's son Luke, who was only 11 at the time of his father's murder, and his ex-wife, Colline, share their poignant journeys of seeking answers and closure.
The Story That Grips Your Soul
This isn't just a recounting of facts; it's an exploration of the ripple effects of a single act of violence. From the crime scene that shook the detectives to their core to the heart-wrenching irony of Michael's last gift to his ex-wife—a CD featuring Ronan Keating's "If Tomorrow Never Comes"—this season brings you closer to the case than ever before.
Why You Can't Miss This
Deep Dive
Go beyond the headlines and the cold facts. Experience the human side of a true crime story, accompanied by those who lived through it.
Unprecedented Access
Hear directly from the detectives who worked the case and the family members still seeking answers.
Shocking Twists
Just when you think you've understood the case, new revelations emerge, each more surprising than the last.
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Don't miss out on this compelling journey through the shadows of the past into the light of truth. Subscribe now on all usual podcast platforms, and stay up-to-date with the latest information on launch dates by following us on Instagram [@conmunitypodcast].
Watching Two Detectives: If Tomorrow Never Comes is more than just a true crime podcast; it's a quest for justice, understanding, and closure. Join Scott Rogan, Peter Hogan, and their guests as they delve into a case that forever changed their lives and may just change yours, too.
Original music by Eleventh Stone: Peter Hogan and Greg Wilson.
The Team
Peter Hogan
Scott Rogan
